[Tig] Negative developing and ARRILaser

Frank Hellmann frank at opticalart.de
Tue Jul 28 16:55:54 BST 2009

Hi Liao,

Liao Zhuodi schrieb:
> We got a local Cinelab that they want to change the speed for the negative
> going through the soup. Because there is a DI facility complains that their
> 4 ArriLasers can not achieve the maximum density on red layer for the 5242
> Kodak stock developing, the maximum red density we talk about is around
> 1.96, and they can only achieve 1.91, the ARRI engineer does not know why.
> So they negotiate with the Cinelab, the lab slows down the speed by 6 feet
> (per second? not sure), so the negative stays longer in the soup than
> before, and the overall density goes up. But, at the same time, our
> arrilaser is fine, and can achieve the maximum red density on developed
> film, which means the Cinelab developing is fine, and our ArriLaser is fine
> too.
> My doubts are:
> 1) Does Cinelab have a standard for developing? If so, why our local Cinelab
> change the speed according to some clients demand.
Usually Labs try to stick to the "Kodak Norm".  The speedchange could 
also be related to a completely different problem: Color Management. If 
they do use a CMS setting that is not right for their setup, or none at 
all, a way to compensate is to tinker with the developing time and 
temperature. We did this round 2000 to get better results out of the 
arrilaser when we had no CMS for the recorder.
> 2) If the overall density goes up, and i should change the calibration LUT
> in my arrilaser to make the 21 step Kodak sweep according to standards, less
> laser power can achieve more density, does it mean we can get less grains or
> noise on the negative?
Sort of (not being a lab technician), but this will be probably 
countered by the longer development time and the resulting longer time 
grains can grow and the increased contrast. So, for a slight difference 
in time, I would not expect to see a big difference.

Be aware that this processing is increasing contrast as well, as opposed 
to just overall density.
> 3) If the negative stay longer in the soup, other than density changes, is
> there any other aftermath brought to the negative?
Not that I am aware of, but you might want to check that with the 
Kodak/Fuji/Agfa... Technicians.



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