[Tig] Grading 5d thoughts

Tom Rovak trovak at comcast.net
Thu Dec 5 15:06:00 GMT 2013

True. But Cinestyle is not a fix for the bad H264 recording. It's simple a color correction, downstream of the capture. The inherent noise is still built into the image. To me if people use Cinestyle that's fine. If not, I use a base setting I have on my Resolve that actually does the same thing. Maybe a bit cleaner since I am flattening the image in sRGB color space. I am not sure what color space Cinestyle is doing that in. But either way, it has not effect on the built in compression noise. 
As far as what codec you transcode to, i agree it really can't make it better than the original source, but I would rather work with 10bit as well. Usually the files get transcoded to ProRes 422HQ or ProRes 4444 and striped with ascending, non-repeating, SMPTE TC at that time. but of course this is done before the edit, as a dailies transcoding. That will ensure all will re-link when it gets to me later. 

Tom Rovak - Sr. Colorist / Post Production Supervisor 
Commercials, Feature Films, Music Videos, Long Form 
Color Correction, DIT, Dailies, Editorial, Finish/VFX 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Daley" <sdaley at technicolorpwny.com> 
To: "Rogério Moraes" <rogermamo at gmail.com> 
Cc: "TIG" <tig at colorist.org> 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:27:52 AM 
Subject: Re: [Tig] Grading 5d thoughts 

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I recommend that clients download the Cinestyle profile for their camera before they shoot. The settings for the profile can also be programmed manually. 

If clients have already shot their material without Cinestyle then I just hope for the best. I will key clipped highlights and push a bit of color into them, whichever color is relevant in the scene or in the area surrounding the clip. I sometimes use an inverse S curve LUT to extract more detail in shadows and low mids but this will increase the appearance of noise and artifacts so I use it only in extreme situations. 

I never grade from the H.264 files. For Tiny Furniture (Canon 7D), which was shot with Canon default settings, we transcoded to 10-bit uncompressed files and I was able to pull keys and color correct without much compromise. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense since the H.264 source files are 8-bit but it worked so I didn't question the science. 

I look forward to grading RAW footage from a hacked Canon. I may even hack my 7D to test. 

Here is the link to the Cinestyle download. Although I work for a Technicolor satellite company, I gain nothing by sharing this: 

Sam Daley 
Senior Colorist 
Technicolor - Postworks NY 

On Dec 5, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Rogério Moraes <rogermamo at gmail.com> wrote: 

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> Hello everyone 
> I'd like input from you on how are you all dealing, thinking, feeling, 
> loosing hope and health (or being happy, I don't know...), on grading Canon 
> 5d footage, specially when intercut with other digital cameras. I'm not 
> trying to start a thread here on how to convert or deal with the 5d 
> material, or tech specs, but how it feels to grade from this camera, which 
> in my opinion is far from an ideal of " good image". From strange unnatural 
> skin tones to it's limited range, noise... I do feel that the best approach 
> so far is to not touch the footage much. The more you try to tweak it , the 
> more unnatural it feels. 
> Any thoughts? 
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