From pat at creativitymedia.co.uk Mon Sep 1 10:17:06 2014 From: pat at creativitymedia.co.uk (Pat Wintersgill) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:17:06 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Plasma screens In-Reply-To: References: <1B0014E1-AA28-4EEB-9B3D-6DA4C74A1DB6@creativitymedia.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks a lot David for the advice, that's really helpful! Best, Pat Wintersgill Colourist / Head of Picture Creativity Media www.creativitymedia.co.uk On 31 Aug 2014, at 23:27, David Mackenzie wrote: > Hi Pat, > > The TC- designation is for the North American market. In the Europe the models you'll be looking for are TX-. > > The last generation Panasonic's consumer plasma displays were excellent. Briefly, the GT60 series (which in the UK only came in a 50" size) was in the price-performance sweet spot. The VT60 series, called VT65 in the UK if you can find one - was very similar, albeit with a different screen coating to better fight glare. (There was also the ZT60/ZT65 which was even more similar but had the panel bonded to the front glass to reduce internal off-axis reflections). > > There was no S60 in the European markets, unless I'm mistaken. The step up would be the ST60 which was excellent, and also the "value model". (The price hierarchy from low to high goes S, ST, G, GT, V, VT, ZT). > > I wouldn't go for the VT50 unless you have to - while it's still a fantastic display, the software implementation on the European model meant that the calibratable modes (with full grayscale, gamma and color management controls) were limited to something like 80-100 cd/m2 of light output. That may be okay for your usage, though. > > However, the 60-series models had this limitation removed with a control called "Panel Luminance Setting" which decides the number of subfields used to produce the image. You can have that set to "Low" and get a lower contrast image with better gradation and less plasma dithering, or "Medium" and get high contrast with just a little bit more panel noise. > > I reviewed all of these displays for HDTVtest.co.uk with Calman charts, so you can see how they calibrate. Readings were taken using a profiled Klein K-10A. > > ST60: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm > GT60: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50gt60-201304052795.htm > VT65: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p55vt65b-201304212862.htm > > Disclosure: I, along with other critical display reviewers, discussed the needs for accurate calibration controls in these displays with Panasonic, and they were implemented in the product. > > Best, > David > > -- > -- > David Mackenzie > DVD / Blu-ray Compression & Authoring > AV Calibration and Consulting > ISF Certified Calibrator > > US: +1 914-902-8928 > UK: +44 (0) 203-239-6816 From hj3000 at outlook.com Wed Sep 3 12:35:34 2014 From: hj3000 at outlook.com (Hans J.) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading Message-ID: Hi everybody! I am a colorist from a TV grading background and have some questions regarding real-life common practices for grading DCI features. I understand the theory and implications of going from P3 gamut and DCI white point to HDTV colors with D65 white point and all that. I can imagine there is quite a difference in theory and the actual daily workflow, so I am very curious to hear from those who do this on a daily basis.? - I read that it is not uncommon to grade on a DCI projector using P3 gamut, but having it set to D65 white "for artistic purposes". I can see how that is attractive in regards to going to HDTV with the grade, but how common is that really? Is there any downside to that approach? I assume the human eye will accept D65 white and DCI white just as well given a pitch black cinema environment, so why do people make this decision to change the white point?? - When porting a cinema grade to HDTV, do you use a white point conversion to replicate the "greenish white" on TV, keeping the look intact or do you settle for D65 and a rather extensive trim session? How far can you get with using LUTs and how much manual labour is needed to adjust a DCI grading for TV?? I have been trying to wrap my mind around this for quite some time, reading many PDFs and forums, but I guess you can only get so far by reading up on a matter and not trying it hands-on. But any input will be much appreciated. Best, Hans? From pat at creativitymedia.co.uk Wed Sep 3 13:33:42 2014 From: pat at creativitymedia.co.uk (Pat Wintersgill) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:33:42 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Plasma screens In-Reply-To: <91C3D8B3-C0A4-4FE0-8CA7-1D3061362547@mindspring.com> References: <1B0014E1-AA28-4EEB-9B3D-6DA4C74A1DB6@creativitymedia.co.uk> <91C3D8B3-C0A4-4FE0-8CA7-1D3061362547@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, You're right, they are getting scarce in the UK, fortunately we're getting a 55" VT65 in for evaluation, looks like we got our foot in the door just before it closed! Best, Pat Wintersgill Colourist / Head of Picture Creativity Media www.creativitymedia.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 203 4110 677 Mo: +44 (0) 790 9580 409 On 2 Sep 2014, at 21:03, Jim Houston wrote: > > Just in case you don?t already know this, Panasonic stopped making Plasma TVs, so > if there are any of these product models available, it is just a side-effect of a long supply chain. > The 42? models are particularly hard to find. It is a shame really. Nice for grading suites. > > ________________________ > Jim Houston > jim.houston at mindspring.com > > > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot David for the advice, that's really helpful! >> >> Best, >> >> Pat Wintersgill >> Colourist / Head of Picture >> >> Creativity Media >> www.creativitymedia.co.uk >> >> >> On 31 Aug 2014, at 23:27, David Mackenzie wrote: >> >>> Hi Pat, >>> >>> The TC- designation is for the North American market. In the Europe the models you'll be looking for are TX-. >>> >>> The last generation Panasonic's consumer plasma displays were excellent. Briefly, the GT60 series (which in the UK only came in a 50" size) was in the price-performance sweet spot. The VT60 series, called VT65 in the UK if you can find one - was very similar, albeit with a different screen coating to better fight glare. (There was also the ZT60/ZT65 which was even more similar but had the panel bonded to the front glass to reduce internal off-axis reflections). >>> >>> There was no S60 in the European markets, unless I'm mistaken. The step up would be the ST60 which was excellent, and also the "value model". (The price hierarchy from low to high goes S, ST, G, GT, V, VT, ZT). >>> >>> I wouldn't go for the VT50 unless you have to - while it's still a fantastic display, the software implementation on the European model meant that the calibratable modes (with full grayscale, gamma and color management controls) were limited to something like 80-100 cd/m2 of light output. That may be okay for your usage, though. >>> >>> However, the 60-series models had this limitation removed with a control called "Panel Luminance Setting" which decides the number of subfields used to produce the image. You can have that set to "Low" and get a lower contrast image with better gradation and less plasma dithering, or "Medium" and get high contrast with just a little bit more panel noise. >>> >>> I reviewed all of these displays for HDTVtest.co.uk with Calman charts, so you can see how they calibrate. Readings were taken using a profiled Klein K-10A. >>> >>> ST60: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm >>> GT60: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50gt60-201304052795.htm >>> VT65: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p55vt65b-201304212862.htm >>> >>> Disclosure: I, along with other critical display reviewers, discussed the needs for accurate calibration controls in these displays with Panasonic, and they were implemented in the product. >>> >>> Best, >>> David >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> David Mackenzie >>> DVD / Blu-ray Compression & Authoring >>> AV Calibration and Consulting >>> ISF Certified Calibrator >>> >>> US: +1 914-902-8928 >>> UK: +44 (0) 203-239-6816 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From adrian.thomas at unit.tv Wed Sep 3 15:14:33 2014 From: adrian.thomas at unit.tv (Adrian Thomas) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:14:33 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Plasma screens In-Reply-To: References: <1B0014E1-AA28-4EEB-9B3D-6DA4C74A1DB6@creativitymedia.co.uk> <91C3D8B3-C0A4-4FE0-8CA7-1D3061362547@mindspring.com> Message-ID: ...just don't burn code and/or bars into it! Plasmas used in post production always seem to go this way, and I still feel that they offer richer fleshtones than OLEDs. -- Adrian Thomas Baselight Assist UNIT 50 Gt Marlborough St London W1F 7JS 020 7494 5700 http://www.unit.tv On 3 Sep 2014, at 13:33, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > You're right, they are getting scarce in the UK, fortunately we're getting a 55" VT65 in for evaluation, looks like we got our foot in the door just before it closed! > From bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us Wed Sep 3 15:50:31 2014 From: bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us (Bob Friesenhahn) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tig] Plasma screens In-Reply-To: References: <1B0014E1-AA28-4EEB-9B3D-6DA4C74A1DB6@creativitymedia.co.uk> <91C3D8B3-C0A4-4FE0-8CA7-1D3061362547@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: > > You're right, they are getting scarce in the UK, fortunately we're > getting a 55" VT65 in for evaluation, looks like we got our foot in > the door just before it closed! Take care in that service on discontinued Plasma products may be an issue if it fails. Since Panasonic has left the Plasma TV business, there is likely no way to get a replacement if it fails and can't be resonably repaired. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer, http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ From trovak at comcast.net Wed Sep 3 16:02:08 2014 From: trovak at comcast.net (Tom Rovak) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> In my experience, much of the difference is in the creation of the DCP. If the DCP is done right, your grading on an HD monitor is into the mix and the DCP converts to P3 properly. You have to make sure the DCP takes into account the color science and gamma curve of the monitor you graded on. I always grade in HDTV and use the SMPTE DCI standards when making a DCP and the results have been a DCI that matches my HDTV grade almost flawlessly. I have seen projection screens in need of calibrating. But that's another issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tig" To: "tig" Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:35:34 AM Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. ===== Hi everybody! I am a colorist from a TV grading background and have some questions regarding real-life common practices for grading DCI features. I understand the theory and implications of going from P3 gamut and DCI white point to HDTV colors with D65 white point and all that. I can imagine there is quite a difference in theory and the actual daily workflow, so I am very curious to hear from those who do this on a daily basis. - I read that it is not uncommon to grade on a DCI projector using P3 gamut, but having it set to D65 white "for artistic purposes". I can see how that is attractive in regards to going to HDTV with the grade, but how common is that really? Is there any downside to that approach? I assume the human eye will accept D65 white and DCI white just as well given a pitch black cinema environment, so why do people make this decision to change the white point? - When porting a cinema grade to HDTV, do you use a white point conversion to replicate the "greenish white" on TV, keeping the look intact or do you settle for D65 and a rather extensive trim session? How far can you get with using LUTs and how much manual labour is needed to adjust a DCI grading for TV? I have been trying to wrap my mind around this for quite some time, reading many PDFs and forums, but I guess you can only get so far by reading up on a matter and not trying it hands-on. But any input will be much appreciated. Best, Hans _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From jpo at prestodigital.ca Wed Sep 3 17:48:16 2014 From: jpo at prestodigital.ca (Joe Owens) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:48:16 -0600 Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading In-Reply-To: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> References: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Message-ID: <852B9E7A-D9D7-4EE8-B462-7B71C64D11B8@prestodigital.ca> Pretty much my experience lately, now that most of the DCP authoring software has figured out how to migrate the SMPTE values over to the X'Y'Z' DCI space. There will be a bigger variation in the wild (commercial projection theatres) -- a bit like trying to predict how your 709 grade is going to look on Fred and Marge's LCD that they just brought home from Tiger Express. On 2014-09-03, at 9:02 AM, Tom Rovak via Tig wrote: > grade in HDTV and use the SMPTE DCI standards when making a DCP and the results have been a DCI that matches my HDTV grade almost flawlessly. Joe Owens Presto!Digital Colourgrade 302-9664 106 Avenue Edmonton, Alberta T5H0N4 +1 780 421-9980 jpo at prestodigital.ca From pat at creativitymedia.co.uk Thu Sep 4 11:34:00 2014 From: pat at creativitymedia.co.uk (Pat Wintersgill) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:34:00 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Plasma screens In-Reply-To: References: <1B0014E1-AA28-4EEB-9B3D-6DA4C74A1DB6@creativitymedia.co.uk> <91C3D8B3-C0A4-4FE0-8CA7-1D3061362547@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6F9369B6-DA79-4147-8494-255903485255@creativitymedia.co.uk> Good point Bob, I'll make sure there's provision for an exchange if anything breaks. Adrian - I've been guilty of leaving the projector on over the weekend in the past so that's definitely one to watch out for! Thanks both. Best, Pat Wintersgill Colourist / Head of Picture Creativity Media www.creativitymedia.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 203 4110 677 Mo: +44 (0) 790 9580 409 On 3 Sep 2014, at 15:50, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: >> >> You're right, they are getting scarce in the UK, fortunately we're getting a 55" VT65 in for evaluation, looks like we got our foot in the door just before it closed! > > Take care in that service on discontinued Plasma products may be an issue if it fails. Since Panasonic has left the Plasma TV business, there is likely no way to get a replacement if it fails and can't be resonably repaired. > > Bob > -- > Bob Friesenhahn > bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ > GraphicsMagick Maintainer, http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ From pat at creativitymedia.co.uk Fri Sep 5 11:23:36 2014 From: pat at creativitymedia.co.uk (Pat Wintersgill) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:23:36 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading In-Reply-To: <852B9E7A-D9D7-4EE8-B462-7B71C64D11B8@prestodigital.ca> References: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <852B9E7A-D9D7-4EE8-B462-7B71C64D11B8@prestodigital.ca> Message-ID: This has been my experience also, from a workflow point of view it seems much more efficient to grade in rec709 and fit that into XYZ for cinema, rather than grade in P3 and convert to Rec709 for broadcast. Best, Pat Wintersgill Colourist / Head of Picture Creativity Media www.creativitymedia.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 203 4110 677 Mo: +44 (0) 790 9580 409 DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. Access to this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose this email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by email or telephone. Registered No. 7341610 On 3 Sep 2014, at 17:48, Joe Owens via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Pretty much my experience lately, now that most of the DCP authoring software has figured out how to migrate the SMPTE values over to the X'Y'Z' DCI space. There will be a bigger variation in the wild (commercial projection theatres) -- a bit like trying to predict how your 709 grade is going to look on Fred and Marge's LCD that they just brought home from Tiger Express. > > > On 2014-09-03, at 9:02 AM, Tom Rovak via Tig wrote: > >> grade in HDTV and use the SMPTE DCI standards when making a DCP and the results have been a DCI that matches my HDTV grade almost flawlessly. > > Joe Owens > Presto!Digital Colourgrade > 302-9664 106 Avenue > Edmonton, Alberta T5H0N4 > +1 780 421-9980 > jpo at prestodigital.ca > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From felix at trollfilm.de Fri Sep 5 15:08:10 2014 From: felix at trollfilm.de (Felix Trolldenier) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:08:10 +0200 Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading In-Reply-To: References: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <852B9E7A-D9D7-4EE8-B462-7B71C64D11B8@prestodigital.ca> Message-ID: <5409C3CA.9040104@trollfilm.de> It's more practile and I do it as well, though I made some tests with my specbos and lightspace and had no problem finding colors outside 709 gamut, like tomatoes are redder or random leaves are greener. If in the end the grade will be that saturated is a different matter. Felix Trolldenier colorist, online editor www.trollfilm.de . +49 (0)30/98361160 . Boxhagener Str. 117 . 10245 Berlin . Germany On 05.09.2014 12:23, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > > This has been my experience also, from a workflow point of view it seems much more efficient to grade in rec709 and fit that into XYZ for cinema, rather than grade in P3 and convert to Rec709 for broadcast. > > Best, > > Pat Wintersgill > Colourist / Head of Picture > > Creativity Media > www.creativitymedia.co.uk > Tel: +44 (0) 203 4110 677 > Mo: +44 (0) 790 9580 409 > > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. Access to this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose this email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by email or telephone. > > Registered No. 7341610 > > On 3 Sep 2014, at 17:48, Joe Owens via Tig wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Pretty much my experience lately, now that most of the DCP authoring software has figured out how to migrate the SMPTE values over to the X'Y'Z' DCI space. There will be a bigger variation in the wild (commercial projection theatres) -- a bit like trying to predict how your 709 grade is going to look on Fred and Marge's LCD that they just brought home from Tiger Express. >> >> >> On 2014-09-03, at 9:02 AM, Tom Rovak via Tig wrote: >> >>> grade in HDTV and use the SMPTE DCI standards when making a DCP and the results have been a DCI that matches my HDTV grade almost flawlessly. >> Joe Owens >> Presto!Digital Colourgrade >> 302-9664 106 Avenue >> Edmonton, Alberta T5H0N4 >> +1 780 421-9980 >> jpo at prestodigital.ca >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From pacoul at wanadoo.fr Sat Sep 6 10:54:49 2014 From: pacoul at wanadoo.fr (Pascal NOWAK) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 11:54:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading In-Reply-To: <5409C3CA.9040104@trollfilm.de> References: <573939249.9769542.1409756528714.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <852B9E7A-D9D7-4EE8-B462-7B71C64D11B8@prestodigital.ca> <5409C3CA.9040104@trollfilm.de> Message-ID: <189350745.4054.1409997289617.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g34> I have no problems with both workflows, P3 to 709 or the opposite. Decision doesn't really depends on artistic aspects but more about how the post facility feels more comfortable. > Message du 05/09/14 16:10 > De : "Felix Trolldenier via Tig" > A : tig at colorist.org > Copie ? : > Objet : Re: [Tig] Common practice in DCI grading > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > It's more practile and I do it as well, though I made some tests with my > specbos and lightspace and had no problem finding colors outside 709 > gamut, like tomatoes are redder or random leaves are greener. > > If in the end the grade will be that saturated is a different matter. > > Felix Trolldenier > colorist, online editor > > www.trollfilm.de . +49 (0)30/98361160 . > Boxhagener Str. 117 . 10245 Berlin . Germany > > > On 05.09.2014 12:23, Pat Wintersgill via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > > ===== > > > > > > > > This has been my experience also, from a workflow point of view it seems much more efficient to grade in rec709 and fit that into XYZ for cinema, rather than grade in P3 and convert to Rec709 for broadcast. > > > > Best, > > > > Pat Wintersgill > > Colourist / Head of Picture > > > > Creativity Media > > www.creativitymedia.co.uk > > Tel: +44 (0) 203 4110 677 > > Mo: +44 (0) 790 9580 409 > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. Access to this email by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose this email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by email or telephone. > > > > Registered No. 7341610 > > > > On 3 Sep 2014, at 17:48, Joe Owens via Tig wrote: > > > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > >> ===== > >> > >> > >> Pretty much my experience lately, now that most of the DCP authoring software has figured out how to migrate the SMPTE values over to the X'Y'Z' DCI space. There will be a bigger variation in the wild (commercial projection theatres) -- a bit like trying to predict how your 709 grade is going to look on Fred and Marge's LCD that they just brought home from Tiger Express. > >> > >> > >> On 2014-09-03, at 9:02 AM, Tom Rovak via Tig wrote: > >> > >>> grade in HDTV and use the SMPTE DCI standards when making a DCP and the results have been a DCI that matches my HDTV grade almost flawlessly. > >> Joe Owens > >> Presto!Digital Colourgrade > >> 302-9664 106 Avenue > >> Edmonton, Alberta T5H0N4 > >> +1 780 421-9980 > >> jpo at prestodigital.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://colorist.org > >> To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > _______________________________________________ > > http://colorist.org > > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From rob at colorist.org Wed Sep 10 00:21:15 2014 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Tig] Michel Pastoureau's "Green: The History of a Color" Message-ID: <7CB73117-9F44-43C6-B74C-AADA9CD1C086@colorist.org> The September 25, 2014 issue of The New York Review of Books features a review by Michael Gorra of Michel Pastoureau?s _Green: The History of a Color_. From Gorra?s review: The sumptuously illustrated Green is his third such volume, following those devoted to blue and to black, but he insists in the face of his own title that no color can truly stand on its own.1 Its social and symbolic meanings always hang on its use, on the particular way it is ?combined with or opposed to? others, and to talk about green requires that one speak as well about ?blue, yellow, red.? Each figures as an element in a system of signification whose terms change over time; and the corollary is that no color has either an absolute meaning or one determined by its presence in the natural world alone. [?] The epigraph to Green comes from the first chapter of Genesis, where green itself figures, in some translations, as the only color to be mentioned by name. The epigraph to Black is drawn, in contrast, from Wittgenstein, who wrote: To answer the question, ?What do the words red, blue, black, and white mean?? we can, of course, immediately point to things that are those colors. But our ability to explain the meaning of these words goes no further. Scientific definitions won?t help us here. Knowing the wave-length of yellow tells us precisely nothing about what it looks like, and we almost invariably treat color as but an attribute of something else, as in the visual arts the Florentines always subordinated it to disegno. For colors remain impossible to conceive of apart from their embodiment, abstract nouns that really only function as adjectives, blue flower or green light. 1. Blue (2000), translated by Markus I. Cruse (Princeton University Press, 2001); Black (2008), translated by Jody Gladding (Princeton University Press, 2009). [end of quotes from the review] An intriguing illustration in this review is of Van Eyck?s ?The Arnolfini Wedding? circa 1435, where the woman wears a sumptuously green garment against deeply red objects. The book?s concerns ?range from Latin etymologies to the green neon crosses that hang ouside modern French pharmacies." See http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/sep/25/deep-green/?insrc=toc ?Rob ? Rob Lingelbach rob at colorist.org From rick.schweikert at fsm.com.au Wed Sep 10 01:52:11 2014 From: rick.schweikert at fsm.com.au (Rick Schweikert) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:52:11 +1000 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: 61a0af3d9edf511aef1ca8edc261f3ed@mail.gmail.com References: 61a0af3d9edf511aef1ca8edc261f3ed@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: Reaching out to the wider TIG. We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. Some of the footage has sound. It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good quality SD is possible. Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some detail on what equipment you use. Thanks Rick, FSM Sydney From mfw at musictrax.com Wed Sep 10 02:15:32 2014 From: mfw at musictrax.com (Marc Wielage) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:15:32 -0700 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed Message-ID: <1410311732.42350.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Pro8 in Burbank has a couple of different Super 8 video transfer services (including sound) that work well: http://www.pro8mm.com They can do 2K on an Ursa Millenium, which I'm told is pretty well-maintained. ?Marc Wielage From cmuller485 at aol.com Wed Sep 10 03:59:26 2014 From: cmuller485 at aol.com (Clark Muller) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 19:59:26 -0700 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: <1410311732.42350.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1410311732.42350.YahooMailNeo@web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F36E674-0D0B-4F3D-B53A-E366748AB4BA@aol.com> Spectra in north Hollywood have a great 8mm/Spirit set-up! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Marc Wielage via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Pro8 in Burbank has a couple of different Super 8 video transfer services (including sound) that work well: > > http://www.pro8mm.com > > > They can do 2K on an Ursa Millenium, which I'm told is pretty well-maintained. > > > ?Marc Wielage > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From joav at dbdigital.co.il Wed Sep 10 06:31:32 2014 From: joav at dbdigital.co.il (Joav Shdema) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 08:31:32 +0300 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We can do 8mm into HD with or without sound. Output format for your liking: avi mov mjpeg2k prores 444 422 dv... pal or ntsc 23.94 24p 25 We are in Israel... :-) Cheers *Joav ShdemaManaging PartnerDB Digital, archiving conceptsAudio-Video-Film Restorationwww.dbdigital.co.il * On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Rick Schweikert via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Reaching out to the wider TIG. > > We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. > Some of the footage has sound. > > It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be > integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. > > Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good > quality SD is possible. > > Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some > detail on what equipment you use. > > Thanks > > Rick, FSM Sydney > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From dixie at westpoint.tv Wed Sep 10 08:47:03 2014 From: dixie at westpoint.tv (David Dean) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 08:47:03 +0100 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541001F7.2050900@westpoint.tv> Hi We have an Ursa Diamond and can do Super 8 with sound or Standard 8 to SD formats and have a UKON upconverter to HD. I would have to admit we are rather a long way away. David Dean Westpoint TV London +442087423400 On 10/09/2014 06:31, Joav Shdema via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > We can do 8mm into HD with or without sound. > Output format for your liking: avi mov mjpeg2k prores 444 422 dv... pal or > ntsc 23.94 24p 25 > We are in Israel... :-) > > Cheers > > *Joav ShdemaManaging PartnerDB Digital, archiving conceptsAudio-Video-Film > Restorationwww.dbdigital.co.il * > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Rick Schweikert via Tig > wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Reaching out to the wider TIG. >> >> We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. >> Some of the footage has sound. >> >> It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be >> integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. >> >> Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good >> quality SD is possible. >> >> Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some >> detail on what equipment you use. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rick, FSM Sydney >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see >> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >> > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > -- David Dean Westpoint Television Archiving Services 2" Quad , 1" B, 1"C, D1, D2, D3, D5, HDCam and HDV .5", EIAJ, In Various Standards where supported Alchemist Ph.C conversions with Clean Cut Snell and Wilcox Ukon and Teranex for HD frame rate conversions and Up and Down conversions Digital Vision DVNR with scratch and dropout concealment Snell Shakeout for image stablization Standard Definition Telecine with Standard 8 Super 8 16mm and 35mm gates Tel 020 8742 3400 From jeffkreines at mindspring.com Wed Sep 10 21:14:15 2014 From: jeffkreines at mindspring.com (Jeff Kreines - Mindspring) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: 61a0af3d9edf511aef1ca8edc261f3ed@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: Rick: Facilities with the Kinetta Archival Scanner scan Super-8 at 3296 x 2472 x 12 bits ? about 5x the resolution of pillarboxed HD. Counterintuitively, more resolution is more important for small formats, that have a higher grain-to-framesize ratio. I wrote a little paper on it that you can download here: http://db.tt/5SlAVkbT Kinetta Archival (our NYC facility) have done a lot of 8mm and S8 scans for theatrical documentaries, one example being H.R. Haldeman?s Nixon White House home movies, which had to be scanned on location at the Nixon Library because the film couldn?t leave the facility. This footage amounted to about 70% of the feature documentary OUR NIXON. There currently aren?t any Kinettas in Australia ? the closest ones would be in Switzerland, France, Israel, and the UK. Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s a labor of love, not profit! Jeff Kreines Kinetta jeff at kinetta.com On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rick Schweikert via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Reaching out to the wider TIG. > > We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. > Some of the footage has sound. > > It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be > integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. > > Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good > quality SD is possible. > > Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some > detail on what equipment you use. > > Thanks > > Rick, FSM Sydney > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From catalin at braescu.com Thu Sep 11 21:12:49 2014 From: catalin at braescu.com (Catalin Braescu) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:12:49 +0200 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s a labor of love, not profit! Jeff Kreines" Jeff, I'm gonna take your words at face value. Since you claim that manufacturing Kinetta is not done for profit, would you mind sharing (aka making Open Source) with the public the schematics and list of components for Kinetta? Awaiting an answer consistent with the "labor of love" words, Catalin On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Jeff Kreines - Mindspring via Tig < tig at colorist.org> wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Rick: > > Facilities with the Kinetta Archival Scanner scan Super-8 at 3296 x 2472 x > 12 bits ? about 5x the resolution of pillarboxed HD. Counterintuitively, > more resolution is more important for small formats, that have a higher > grain-to-framesize ratio. I wrote a little paper on it that you can > download here: > > http://db.tt/5SlAVkbT > > Kinetta Archival (our NYC facility) have done a lot of 8mm and S8 scans > for theatrical documentaries, one example being H.R. Haldeman?s Nixon White > House home movies, which had to be scanned on location at the Nixon Library > because the film couldn?t leave the facility. This footage amounted to > about 70% of the feature documentary OUR NIXON. > > There currently aren?t any Kinettas in Australia ? the closest ones would > be in Switzerland, France, Israel, and the UK. > > Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s > a labor of love, not profit! > > Jeff Kreines > Kinetta > jeff at kinetta.com > > > On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rick Schweikert via Tig > wrote: > > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > > ===== > > > > > > Reaching out to the wider TIG. > > > > We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. > > Some of the footage has sound. > > > > It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be > > integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. > > > > Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good > > quality SD is possible. > > > > Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some > > detail on what equipment you use. > > > > Thanks > > > > Rick, FSM Sydney > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://colorist.org > > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From jeffkreines at mindspring.com Thu Sep 11 22:33:57 2014 From: jeffkreines at mindspring.com (Jeff Kreines - Mindspring) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <264F02B7-35D4-4EE8-AB44-2D236C804254@mindspring.com> Catalin: You have previously tried getting access to a Kinetta to reverse engineer it, though never quite so publicly. Pretty audacious move! On your website you wrote: "From my perspective any business must be done in a way that harmonizes the interest of both sides, for the long term benefit of all the parties involved.? I have clients to support, with upgrades and service (most service is handled within an hour or two by email or phone). To give away what they paid for would not be to their benefit, as you point out. You also say: "I am an entrepreneur focused on the Arab and Russian Internet market. The companies I am currently investing in are located in Alexandria (Egypt), Arkhangelsk (Russia), Kharkiv (Ukraine), Hong Kong (China).? Do you invest in companies that give away their work? How would they survive if they did? This is hardware, not software. Each unit costs real money. There are a lot of expenses ? large ones, like ongoing software development ? that have to be paid for. There are many proprietary components in the Kinetta. All of this has to be paid for. So does ongoing development. Most of what comes in goes right back out, unfortunately. We do offer significant discounts to non-profits whose aims we support, and we do a lot of pro-bono scanning work for filmmakers we care about. I?m sure you do the same. If you really want an open-source scanner, you surely know where to look. Speed and image quality may be lacking, but that may not concern you. As an entrepeneur, you certainly have the time, resources, and ability to develop an open-source scanner of your own. We all look forward to seeing the results. Jeff ?troll-free? Kreines On Sep 11, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Catalin Braescu via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > "Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s > a labor of love, not profit! Jeff Kreines" > > Jeff, I'm gonna take your words at face value. Since you claim that > manufacturing Kinetta is not done for profit, would you mind sharing (aka > making Open Source) with the public the schematics and list of components > for Kinetta? > > Awaiting an answer consistent with the "labor of love" words, > > > > Catalin > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Jeff Kreines - Mindspring via Tig < > tig at colorist.org> wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Rick: >> >> Facilities with the Kinetta Archival Scanner scan Super-8 at 3296 x 2472 x >> 12 bits ? about 5x the resolution of pillarboxed HD. Counterintuitively, >> more resolution is more important for small formats, that have a higher >> grain-to-framesize ratio. I wrote a little paper on it that you can >> download here: >> >> http://db.tt/5SlAVkbT >> >> Kinetta Archival (our NYC facility) have done a lot of 8mm and S8 scans >> for theatrical documentaries, one example being H.R. Haldeman?s Nixon White >> House home movies, which had to be scanned on location at the Nixon Library >> because the film couldn?t leave the facility. This footage amounted to >> about 70% of the feature documentary OUR NIXON. >> >> There currently aren?t any Kinettas in Australia ? the closest ones would >> be in Switzerland, France, Israel, and the UK. >> >> Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s >> a labor of love, not profit! >> >> Jeff Kreines >> Kinetta >> jeff at kinetta.com >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rick Schweikert via Tig >> wrote: >> >>> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >>> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> Reaching out to the wider TIG. >>> >>> We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. >>> Some of the footage has sound. >>> >>> It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be >>> integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. >>> >>> Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good >>> quality SD is possible. >>> >>> Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some >>> detail on what equipment you use. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Rick, FSM Sydney >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://colorist.org >>> To change subscription options, see >> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see >> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >> > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From andreas at filmtek.no Wed Sep 17 08:51:15 2014 From: andreas at filmtek.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Wider=F8e?=) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:15 +0200 Subject: [Tig] Prices for 4K raw scans to DPX in Europe Message-ID: <8B3649AC-1877-4D2A-8AFC-2FC8FB39B862@filmtek.no> Hi, What are the going rates for 4K scans to DPX currently in Europe? 16mm and 35mm. Just raw scans, no grading and assuming the films are prepped and cleaned by a lab. Price per feet or meter. Cheers, Andreas From suelakso at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 16:19:24 2014 From: suelakso at hotmail.com (Sue Lakso) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:19:24 -0500 Subject: [Tig] Tig Digest, Vol 354, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well said! On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:52 PM, tig-request at colorist.org wrote: > Send Tig mailing list submissions to > tig at colorist.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tig-request at colorist.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tig-owner at colorist.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tig digest..." > > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ==== > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: High quality Super 8 transfer needed > (Jeff Kreines - Mindspring) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:33:57 -0500 > From: Jeff Kreines - Mindspring > To: Catalin Braescu , Telecine Internet Internet > Group > Subject: Re: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed > Message-ID: <264F02B7-35D4-4EE8-AB44-2D236C804254 at mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Catalin: > > You have previously tried getting access to a Kinetta to reverse engineer it, though never quite so publicly. Pretty audacious move! > > On your website you wrote: > > "From my perspective any business must be done in a way that harmonizes the interest of both sides, for the long term benefit of all the parties involved.? > > I have clients to support, with upgrades and service (most service is handled within an hour or two by email or phone). To give away what they paid for would not be to their benefit, as you point out. > > You also say: > > "I am an entrepreneur focused on the Arab and Russian Internet market. The companies I am currently investing in are located in Alexandria (Egypt), Arkhangelsk (Russia), Kharkiv (Ukraine), Hong Kong (China).? > > Do you invest in companies that give away their work? How would they survive if they did? This is hardware, not software. Each unit costs real money. > > There are a lot of expenses ? large ones, like ongoing software development ? that have to be paid for. There are many proprietary components in the Kinetta. All of this has to be paid for. So does ongoing development. Most of what comes in goes right back out, unfortunately. > > We do offer significant discounts to non-profits whose aims we support, and we do a lot of pro-bono scanning work for filmmakers we care about. I?m sure you do the same. > > If you really want an open-source scanner, you surely know where to look. Speed and image quality may be lacking, but that may not concern you. > > As an entrepeneur, you certainly have the time, resources, and ability to develop an open-source scanner of your own. We all look forward to seeing the results. > > Jeff ?troll-free? Kreines > > > > > On Sep 11, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Catalin Braescu via Tig wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> "Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s >> a labor of love, not profit! Jeff Kreines" >> >> Jeff, I'm gonna take your words at face value. Since you claim that >> manufacturing Kinetta is not done for profit, would you mind sharing (aka >> making Open Source) with the public the schematics and list of components >> for Kinetta? >> >> Awaiting an answer consistent with the "labor of love" words, >> >> >> >> Catalin >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Jeff Kreines - Mindspring via Tig < >> tig at colorist.org> wrote: >> >>> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >>> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> Rick: >>> >>> Facilities with the Kinetta Archival Scanner scan Super-8 at 3296 x 2472 x >>> 12 bits ? about 5x the resolution of pillarboxed HD. Counterintuitively, >>> more resolution is more important for small formats, that have a higher >>> grain-to-framesize ratio. I wrote a little paper on it that you can >>> download here: >>> >>> http://db.tt/5SlAVkbT >>> >>> Kinetta Archival (our NYC facility) have done a lot of 8mm and S8 scans >>> for theatrical documentaries, one example being H.R. Haldeman?s Nixon White >>> House home movies, which had to be scanned on location at the Nixon Library >>> because the film couldn?t leave the facility. This footage amounted to >>> about 70% of the feature documentary OUR NIXON. >>> >>> There currently aren?t any Kinettas in Australia ? the closest ones would >>> be in Switzerland, France, Israel, and the UK. >>> >>> Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s >>> a labor of love, not profit! >>> >>> Jeff Kreines >>> Kinetta >>> jeff at kinetta.com >>> >>> >>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Rick Schweikert via Tig >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >>>> RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. >>>> ===== >>>> >>>> >>>> Reaching out to the wider TIG. >>>> >>>> We need a facility to transfer Super 8, approximately 3 hrs running time. >>>> Some of the footage has sound. >>>> >>>> It needs to be an excellent quality transfer, with end result to be >>>> integrated as historical/archival use in a feature film. >>>> >>>> Obvious preference is to HD if the telecine is set up for that, but good >>>> quality SD is possible. >>>> >>>> Please contact me off list if you provide those services and with some >>>> detail on what equipment you use. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Rick, FSM Sydney >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://colorist.org >>>> To change subscription options, see >>> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://colorist.org >>> To change subscription options, see >>> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, go to http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tig Digest, Vol 354, Issue 1 > *********************************** > Sue Lakso suelakso at hotmail.com From rich at torpey.com Fri Sep 19 19:44:48 2014 From: rich at torpey.com (Rich Torpey) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:44:48 -0400 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541C79A0.2010902@torpey.com> Surely you understand the difference between someone taking on a "labor of love" where they know they will never get rich but hope to make a contribution (and maybe have some fun along the way), versus someone choosing to throw away everything they've worked to build for zero return? The difference between some return and zero return should be obvious. That could be fine for the independently wealthy living a life of philanthropy, but most of us expect some return for our labors, even if we chose a field we know is less lucrative than many alternatives. Rich Torpey On 9/11/2014 4:12 PM, Catalin Braescu via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > "Disclaimer ? I manufacture Kinetta Archival Scanners, but these days it?s > a labor of love, not profit! Jeff Kreines" > > Jeff, I'm gonna take your words at face value. Since you claim that > manufacturing Kinetta is not done for profit, would you mind sharing (aka > making Open Source) with the public the schematics and list of components > for Kinetta? > > Awaiting an answer consistent with the "labor of love" words, > > > > Catalin > > From riza at silver.co.uk Sat Sep 20 11:11:35 2014 From: riza at silver.co.uk (Riza Pacalioglu) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:11:35 +0000 Subject: [Tig] High quality Super 8 transfer needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99699caf8ba64111865aaead4b58711a@AMSPR06MB391.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> "Since you claim that manufacturing Kinetta is not done for profit, would you mind sharing (aka making Open Source) with the public the schematics and list of components for Kinetta?" Why would he give away his life's work away so that 'you' earn money out it? Not only what is being asked is bonkers but downright rude! Riza Nur Pacalioglu M.Sc. Producer Silver Productions, Salisbury, England http://silver.co.uk From trovak at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 16:36:15 2014 From: trovak at comcast.net (Tom Rovak) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tig] audio mapping for Sony SRXT420 Message-ID: <1571984690.20596005.1411400175696.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Does anyone know the correct audio mapping for 5.1 on a Sony SRXT420 or any other Sony Projectors? Tom Rovak - Executive Producer / Sr. Colorist / Post Production Supervisor ROVAK COLORIST SERVICES A Division Of The Annex Studios Commercials, Feature Films, Music Videos, Long Form Color Correction, Dailies, Editorial, Finish/VFX trovak at comcast.net (815)690-8323 Website / Commercial Reel: http://colorist-rovak.com/ From rogermamo at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 16:25:57 2014 From: rogermamo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rog=C3=A9rio_Moraes?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:25:57 -0300 Subject: [Tig] Color pop on Resolve working with 2997 material Message-ID: Hello Does anyone knows a work around to correct a color event (cut, color mark) to a single field on an interlaced material at 29,97 in Davinci Resolve? The material was originally 2398 but it required a pulldown to 2997, so now I have cuts with interlaced frames, and Resolve can't handle well that on grading, resulting on color pops. On good old Davinci 2k days, there was a shortcut to force the color event (cut) to a single field. Does anyone if that still works? The field rendering option at monitoring and rendering does not solve the problem. Thanks for any input! -- Rog?rio Moraes From rogermamo at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 16:25:57 2014 From: rogermamo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rog=C3=A9rio_Moraes?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:25:57 -0300 Subject: [Tig] Color pop on Resolve working with 2997 material Message-ID: Hello Does anyone knows a work around to correct a color event (cut, color mark) to a single field on an interlaced material at 29,97 in Davinci Resolve? The material was originally 2398 but it required a pulldown to 2997, so now I have cuts with interlaced frames, and Resolve can't handle well that on grading, resulting on color pops. On good old Davinci 2k days, there was a shortcut to force the color event (cut) to a single field. Does anyone if that still works? The field rendering option at monitoring and rendering does not solve the problem. Thanks for any input! -- Rog?rio Moraes From mbitetti at aol.com Fri Sep 26 16:33:51 2014 From: mbitetti at aol.com (Michael Bitetti) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Tig] Color pop on Resolve working with 2997 material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try a dissolve with a one frame duration. It's worked in exactly that situation for me in the past. Mike Bitetti Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Does anyone knows a work around to correct a color event (cut, color > mark) to a single field on an interlaced material at 29,97 in Davinci > Resolve? The material was originally 2398 but it required a pulldown to > 2997, so now I have cuts with interlaced frames, and Resolve can't handle > well that on grading, resulting on color pops. On good old Davinci 2k days, > there was a shortcut to force the color event (cut) to a single field. > Does anyone if that still works? The field rendering option at monitoring > and rendering does not solve the problem. > > Thanks for any input! > > -- > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From mbitetti at aol.com Fri Sep 26 16:33:51 2014 From: mbitetti at aol.com (Michael Bitetti) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Tig] Color pop on Resolve working with 2997 material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try a dissolve with a one frame duration. It's worked in exactly that situation for me in the past. Mike Bitetti Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > RushTera www.RushTera.com supports the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Does anyone knows a work around to correct a color event (cut, color > mark) to a single field on an interlaced material at 29,97 in Davinci > Resolve? The material was originally 2398 but it required a pulldown to > 2997, so now I have cuts with interlaced frames, and Resolve can't handle > well that on grading, resulting on color pops. On good old Davinci 2k days, > there was a shortcut to force the color event (cut) to a single field. > Does anyone if that still works? The field rendering option at monitoring > and rendering does not solve the problem. > > Thanks for any input! > > -- > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From srdbx at netvision.net.il Sat Sep 27 19:24:48 2014 From: srdbx at netvision.net.il (Shai Drori) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:24:48 +0200 Subject: [Tig] Nvidia gtx 760 Message-ID: <542700F0.6070902@netvision.net.il> Seeking the wisdom of the group. I would like to upgrade my gtx 560 card to a 760. I have an ASUS motherboard and the current card is also Asus. I see many companies like EVGA, Asus, Gigabyte, Zotac, MSI. Is there a difference between them? Any company better than the others? -- Cheers Shai Drori Timeless Recordings srdbx at netvision.net.il ?????, ?? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? 8-35 ??. From riza at silver.co.uk Sun Sep 28 10:32:18 2014 From: riza at silver.co.uk (Riza Pacalioglu) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:32:18 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Nvidia gtx 760 In-Reply-To: <542700F0.6070902@netvision.net.il> References: <542700F0.6070902@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: "I would like to upgrade my gtx 560 card to a 760. I have an ASUS motherboard and the current card is also Asus. I see many companies like EVGA, Asus, Gigabyte, Zotac, MSI. Is there a difference between them? Any company better than the others?" All manufacturers use nVidia reference designs. Unless there are speed and memory differences all cards from the same series are the same. These days manufacturing is so automated that there are nigh any differences between brands. Riza Nur Pacalioglu M.Sc. Producer Silver Productions, Salisbury, England http://silver.co.uk