From roblingelbach at icloud.com Tue Jun 23 22:45:57 2015 From: roblingelbach at icloud.com (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:45:57 -0500 Subject: [Tig] First film was shot in Leeds, in 1888 Message-ID: <1D5B1CDB-84C1-466C-86E0-B72A9500BB5C@icloud.com> A story in the BBC from yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33198686 According to the article, this film still exists, as does the camera. Shot several years before Edison's, and the Lumieres? first works. But Louis Le Prince, the inventor/Director of this first film, the disappeared? -- Rob Lingelbach http://colorist.org/robhome.html roblingelbach at icloud.com From bob at bluescreen.com Wed Jun 24 02:51:19 2015 From: bob at bluescreen.com (Bob Kertesz) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:51:19 -0700 Subject: [Tig] First film was shot in Leeds, in 1888 In-Reply-To: <1D5B1CDB-84C1-466C-86E0-B72A9500BB5C@icloud.com> References: <1D5B1CDB-84C1-466C-86E0-B72A9500BB5C@icloud.com> Message-ID: >According to the article, this film still exists, as does the camera. Shot several years before Edison's, and the Lumieres? first works. > >But Louis Le Prince, the inventor/Director of this first film, the disappeared Perhaps the reviews were, ummm, negative... ;-) --Bob Bob Kertesz BlueScreen LLC Hollywood, California bob at bluescreen.com DIT, Video Controller, and live compositor extraordinaire. High quality images for more than four decades - whether you've wanted them or not.? From rogermamo at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 20:29:05 2015 From: rogermamo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rog=C3=A9rio_Moraes?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:29:05 -0300 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material Message-ID: Hello Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? Thanks all for any input - Rog?rio Moraes From rogermamo at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 20:29:05 2015 From: rogermamo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rog=C3=A9rio_Moraes?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:29:05 -0300 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material Message-ID: Hello Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? Thanks all for any input - Rog?rio Moraes From roblingelbach at icloud.com Fri Jun 26 20:36:54 2015 From: roblingelbach at icloud.com (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:36:54 -0500 Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... Message-ID: Recently, Business Insider magazine ran this story: http://www.businessinsider.com/digital-photography-revolution-2015-4 ?it reviews the accomplishments of the Bell Labs scientists who invented the CCD, in response to a challenge from their boss, reportedly ?in one hour.? They won the Nobel Prize. The Sony Mavica, Apple Quicktake-100, the Kodak-modified Nikon F3 - which was the first DSLR- on which Kodak ?didn?t move fast enough?? and now the Pill Cam. Bell Labs was also the birthplace of Unix. The internet would likely have evolved differently, and more slowly, had AT&T Unix (and then Berkeley Unix) not predated it. -- Rob Lingelbach http://colorist.org/robhome.html roblingelbach at icloud.com From trovak at comcast.net Fri Jun 26 20:39:54 2015 From: trovak at comcast.net (Tom Rovak) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1854100597.1223730.1435347594787.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I would have to see a couple shots. But yes I have had several projects where "well we thought an ND would help", some on ARRI 444, some on RED, even some on film. Tom Rovak - Executive Producer / Sr. Colorist / Post Production Supervisor ROVAK COLORIST SERVICES A Division Of The Annex Studios Commercials, Feature Films, Music Videos, Long Form Color Correction, Dailies, Editorial, Finish/VFX trovak at comcast.net (815)690-8323 IMDB: http://www . imdb.com/name/nm1652946/?ref_=rvi_nm Website / Commercial Reel: http://colorist-rovak.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rog?rio Moraes via Tig" To: "tig" , "Telecine Internet Group" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:29:05 PM Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== Hello Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? Thanks all for any input - Rog?rio Moraes _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From trovak at comcast.net Fri Jun 26 20:39:54 2015 From: trovak at comcast.net (Tom Rovak) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1854100597.1223730.1435347594787.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I would have to see a couple shots. But yes I have had several projects where "well we thought an ND would help", some on ARRI 444, some on RED, even some on film. Tom Rovak - Executive Producer / Sr. Colorist / Post Production Supervisor ROVAK COLORIST SERVICES A Division Of The Annex Studios Commercials, Feature Films, Music Videos, Long Form Color Correction, Dailies, Editorial, Finish/VFX trovak at comcast.net (815)690-8323 IMDB: http://www . imdb.com/name/nm1652946/?ref_=rvi_nm Website / Commercial Reel: http://colorist-rovak.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rog?rio Moraes via Tig" To: "tig" , "Telecine Internet Group" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:29:05 PM Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== Hello Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? Thanks all for any input - Rog?rio Moraes _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From joeydanna at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 21:02:05 2015 From: joeydanna at gmail.com (Joey D'Anna) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:02:05 -0400 Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01d0b04a$fa54bbf0$eefe33d0$@gmail.com> Bell labs had an amazing history. They are probably the single most important research organization ever formed. Major inventions like UNIX, the transistor, satellite communication, cellular communication, lasers, and radar have all completely shaped the framework of the modern world. But the unsung hero that came out of Bell was information theory. They were developing the math that made the information age possible as early as the 1940s. There's a fantastic book that goes into a lot of detail about Bell's history. If you are at all interested in technology, it?s a must read: http://www.amazon.com/The-Idea-Factory-American-Innovation/dp/0143122797 -----Original Message----- From: Tig [mailto:tig-bounces at colorist.org] On Behalf Of Rob Lingelbach via Tig Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:37 PM To: tig Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== Recently, Business Insider magazine ran this story: http://www.businessinsider.com/digital-photography-revolution-2015-4 ?it reviews the accomplishments of the Bell Labs scientists who invented the CCD, in response to a challenge from their boss, reportedly ?in one hour.? They won the Nobel Prize. The Sony Mavica, Apple Quicktake-100, the Kodak-modified Nikon F3 - which was the first DSLR- on which Kodak ?didn?t move fast enough?? and now the Pill Cam. Bell Labs was also the birthplace of Unix. The internet would likely have evolved differently, and more slowly, had AT&T Unix (and then Berkeley Unix) not predated it. -- Rob Lingelbach http://colorist.org/robhome.html roblingelbach at icloud.com _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From ianvlist at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 21:13:26 2015 From: ianvlist at gmail.com (Ian Vertovec) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Raw wouldn't have help you as the issue was the quality of light hitting the sensor, not anything that was processed from the data afterwards. In a situation like this is usually use saturation curves to take the chroma out (and add back some density) of the violet spectrum. Ian Vertovec Light Iron > On Jun 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift > IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > From ianvlist at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 21:13:26 2015 From: ianvlist at gmail.com (Ian Vertovec) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Raw wouldn't have help you as the issue was the quality of light hitting the sensor, not anything that was processed from the data afterwards. In a situation like this is usually use saturation curves to take the chroma out (and add back some density) of the violet spectrum. Ian Vertovec Light Iron > On Jun 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift > IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > From folo43 at mac.com Fri Jun 26 21:43:41 2015 From: folo43 at mac.com (Paul Byrne) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0910FA0C-EFD6-4CF8-9A63-0B7ACE250AC1@mac.com> Hi Rogerio, I had this problem before on a music video only on two shots. Working on Davinci resolve I used the rgb mixer to rebalance the picture and was able to match them to the other shots. Paul PAUL BYRNE Colorist paul at digitalfilmcolorist.com 415.866.9001 www.digitalfilmcolorist.com > On Jun 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature > that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some > clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable > to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe > affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The > material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color > temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > Thanks all for any input > - > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From folo43 at mac.com Fri Jun 26 21:43:41 2015 From: folo43 at mac.com (Paul Byrne) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 13:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0910FA0C-EFD6-4CF8-9A63-0B7ACE250AC1@mac.com> Hi Rogerio, I had this problem before on a music video only on two shots. Working on Davinci resolve I used the rgb mixer to rebalance the picture and was able to match them to the other shots. Paul PAUL BYRNE Colorist paul at digitalfilmcolorist.com 415.866.9001 www.digitalfilmcolorist.com > On Jun 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature > that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some > clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable > to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe > affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The > material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color > temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > Thanks all for any input > - > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From richard at filmlight.ltd.uk Fri Jun 26 22:38:05 2015 From: richard at filmlight.ltd.uk (Richard Kirk) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. This is not an Alexa specific solution, but I hope it may help. Our eyes have no violet sensor, but we do have a poor sense of black. Our optic system nerve cells fire in 'tonic mode' which kinda means that the gain is turned up so cells will fire even when there is no light coming in. This gives us the best sensitivity but at the expense of not having an accurate black level. If our eyes did not fire for zero stimulus then RGB black would be no signal. but we would see very little shadow detail. This brings us to point two: why do we see violet (a very short wavelength) as the sum of blue (a lightly longer wavelength) and red (a much longer wavelength)? The answer is probably we are seeing a blue signal, with very little green signal. We probably see very little red signal too, but we are used to compensating for the illuminant so sometimes we see very little red and sometimes we see very little blue but we can compensate for the illuminant by tweaking the red and blue gain a lot. So when we see a violet, we see blue, very little green, and an amount of red we cannot easily quantify because we cannot determine the amount of red from the amount of blue. So, our best guess, is we have blue, zero green, and some red to compensate for the unexpectedly low level of green; as our eye has no reliable black level, So much for our eyes. Cameras can measure RGB, but when they detect a pure blue, we know we will see this as a purple even though camera physics doesn't allow for the possibility for a purple. So, if you make a camera that 'sees' colours things as we do, they are forced to add a bit of red to intense blues to reproduce our sense of purple. This is so even though that doesn't make any actual sense from the camera point of view, because the camera has a very good sense of the dark level in all three RGB channels compared to our eyes. Suppose you add a ND filter to a camera. This makes everything darker, so all the RGB signals are smaller, but the noise remains the same. Noise, here can mean electronic noise from the neurons firing in our eyes, or the noise in the camera A/D, or cross-coupling or flare, or all sorts of other things. But it takes us from the good signal regime were we have a good blue signal and no significant green or red; to the shadow signal regime where we have blue, surprisingly little green, and a small red that is hard to interpret. So what we see will shift from blue to violet, and what a good camera will measure ought to do the same to match what we see. It could be IR or UV pollution too. I have no hard evidence either way, but I doubt if it is. We can make good near-visible dichroic passband filters, and there are good deep IR and UV glass filters. ARRI have been making cameras for a while, and they are probably know more than I do about this. So, what do you do? The obvious answer is to shoot the scene with the right level, rather than leaving the lens cap on and trying to remove it in post. If you can't do that, then it is quite reasonable to pick a mask on the purple colours and make them black. Real purple is fairly rare in real scenes. If you have real purple objects in your shot, then you will have to use your wits and do something artistic. But for most material, you can probably make all purples black with a clear conscience. I don't know if that convinces you, but I buy it. But that is on Friday after FilmLight Wine Time, so that may not mean much. Cheers. Richard Kirk --- FilmLight Ltd, Artists House, 14-15 Manette Street, London W1D 4AP Tel: +44 (0)20 7292 0400 Fax: +44 (0)20 7292 0401 From richard at filmlight.ltd.uk Fri Jun 26 23:15:33 2015 From: richard at filmlight.ltd.uk (Richard Kirk) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:15:33 +0100 Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F283F2-6F71-49D0-9158-6D8140E15C79@filmlight.ltd.uk> > "Joey D'Anna" sez... > > Bell labs had an amazing history. They are probably the single most important research organization ever formed. > Yes to the first part, but I must give first place it to Edison @ Menlo Park. - he started the first thing that can be recognized as a modern science park - he lured good scientists to work there with good apparatus - he used patents and the press in a way that was unknown at the time. - he had an integrated invention, and productisation process - he lead from the front throughout. When I was young in the UK, children's books told the story of how Edison invented the light bulb. You know the tale: 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and stuff. But the bulbs were made by the Edison-Swan company. He was an inventive man, but he also was not afraid to use his name to push the work of other inventors, and Mister Swan made the carbon filament light bulb. In his age this was not as bad as it appears now: Emil Zola of a similar age is supposed to have written hundreds of novels, but he is known to have bought novels from unknown people, added his name and a bit of his style. Edison made an inventions factory where people invented stuff, but there was a continuous process that filed patents, published results, made products, and fed back new ideas to the ideas factory. Edison himself slept on the bench when stuff was happening, and they had a barrel of beer and a pipe organ at the end of the lab for Friday evenings. He might not be the sort of guy I would want to shake by the hand, but he did bring the science park fully formed out of nothing. Bell Labs is a fine place too, though. Cheers. Richard Kirk --- FilmLight Ltd, Artists House, 14-15 Manette Street, London W1D 4AP Tel: +44 (0)20 7292 0400 Fax: +44 (0)20 7292 0401 From marktoddosborne at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 23:16:35 2015 From: marktoddosborne at gmail.com (Mark Todd Osborne) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What Ian & Paul said :) *MARK TODD OSBORNE* Senior Digital Colorist marktoddosborne.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature > that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some > clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable > to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe > affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The > material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color > temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > Thanks all for any input > - > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From marktoddosborne at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 23:16:35 2015 From: marktoddosborne at gmail.com (Mark Todd Osborne) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What Ian & Paul said :) *MARK TODD OSBORNE* Senior Digital Colorist marktoddosborne.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Hello > > Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature > that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material > presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some > clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable > to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe > affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The > material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color > temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only > if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? > > Thanks all for any input > - > Rog?rio Moraes > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From Aidan.Farrell at farmgroup.tv Sat Jun 27 00:11:48 2015 From: Aidan.Farrell at farmgroup.tv (Aidan Farrell) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:11:48 +0000 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sure many people have come across this problem at some stage. The purple cast was very visible on older Red cameras when more than .9 ND was used. The solution is to shoot with IR ND filters or hot mirror. As its too late for you I had a major problem grading a tv show called Wallander a few years back with bad IR. The only solution is to try keying into the man made fibres of the purple black that it has affected and balance it out that way as organic blacks like hair etc should not be affected at camera stage. Regards Aidan Farrell The farm London Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Jun 2015, at 23:19, Mark Todd Osborne via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > What Ian & Paul said :) > > > *MARK TODD OSBORNE* > Senior Digital Colorist > marktoddosborne.com > >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes wrote: >> >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Hello >> >> Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature >> that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material >> presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some >> clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable >> to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe >> affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The >> material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color >> temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only >> if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? >> >> Thanks all for any input >> - >> Rog?rio Moraes >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see >> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From Aidan.Farrell at farmgroup.tv Sat Jun 27 00:11:48 2015 From: Aidan.Farrell at farmgroup.tv (Aidan Farrell) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:11:48 +0000 Subject: [Tig] IR pollution on Alexa shot material In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sure many people have come across this problem at some stage. The purple cast was very visible on older Red cameras when more than .9 ND was used. The solution is to shoot with IR ND filters or hot mirror. As its too late for you I had a major problem grading a tv show called Wallander a few years back with bad IR. The only solution is to try keying into the man made fibres of the purple black that it has affected and balance it out that way as organic blacks like hair etc should not be affected at camera stage. Regards Aidan Farrell The farm London Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Jun 2015, at 23:19, Mark Todd Osborne via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > What Ian & Paul said :) > > > *MARK TODD OSBORNE* > Senior Digital Colorist > marktoddosborne.com > >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Rog?rio Moraes wrote: >> >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Hello >> >> Trying to come up with a solution for this major issue in a feature >> that I'm corrently grading. Due to use of ND filter, a lot of material >> presented major color shift ( blacks, and some blacks only, fabric and some >> clothing) are getting this purple eggplant grapeish color that I'm unable >> to remove on primary. On secondary and carefully selecting the clothe >> affected, I do get some correction, but quality is no good to me. The >> material is on 444 .mov from alexa, so no .ari to try to fiddle with color >> temp, tint., etc... Does anyone have a recomendation for me? IF.. and only >> if... it was shot raw do you think some thing could be done? >> >> Thanks all for any input >> - >> Rog?rio Moraes >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see >> http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From joeydanna at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 00:33:22 2015 From: joeydanna at gmail.com (Joey D'Anna) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... In-Reply-To: <04F283F2-6F71-49D0-9158-6D8140E15C79@filmlight.ltd.uk> References: <04F283F2-6F71-49D0-9158-6D8140E15C79@filmlight.ltd.uk> Message-ID: <000d01d0b068$7fdc3650$7f94a2f0$@gmail.com> Oh I agree - Edison did amazing things as well. Far more than what most people realize. In many ways - Bell was heavily influenced by his processes. Much of what you mention he started is exactly how Bell labs was structured. One more interesting thing about Bell was that because of their unique arrangement with the US government (AT&T was a government sponsored monopoly) - Everything they invented had to be freely licensable at low cos. It was a bit of a win-win. Since the agreement basically made it impossible for AT&T to have competitors, they never had to worry about their inventions being used to compete against them. But other companies could legally use Bell's IP, essentially leveraging ATT's absolutely gargantuan R&D budget for their own products. Now weather or not the public good of Bell's contributions to science outweighed the downside of their monopoly - is a topic that has been debated for decades. -----Original Message----- From: Tig [mailto:tig-bounces at colorist.org] On Behalf Of Richard Kirk via Tig Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:16 PM To: tig at colorist.org Subject: Re: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== > "Joey D'Anna" sez... > > Bell labs had an amazing history. They are probably the single most important research organization ever formed. > Yes to the first part, but I must give first place it to Edison @ Menlo Park. - he started the first thing that can be recognized as a modern science park - he lured good scientists to work there with good apparatus - he used patents and the press in a way that was unknown at the time. - he had an integrated invention, and productisation process - he lead from the front throughout. When I was young in the UK, children's books told the story of how Edison invented the light bulb. You know the tale: 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and stuff. But the bulbs were made by the Edison-Swan company. He was an inventive man, but he also was not afraid to use his name to push the work of other inventors, and Mister Swan made the carbon filament light bulb. In his age this was not as bad as it appears now: Emil Zola of a similar age is supposed to have written hundreds of novels, but he is known to have bought novels from unknown people, added his name and a bit of his style. Edison made an inventions factory where people invented stuff, but there was a continuous process that filed patents, published results, made products, and fed back new ideas to the ideas factory. Edison himself slept on the bench when stuff was happening, and they had a barrel of beer and a pipe organ at the end of the lab for Friday evenings. He might not be the sort of guy I would want to shake by the hand, but he did bring the science park fully formed out of nothing. Bell Labs is a fine place too, though. Cheers. Richard Kirk --- FilmLight Ltd, Artists House, 14-15 Manette Street, London W1D 4AP Tel: +44 (0)20 7292 0400 Fax: +44 (0)20 7292 0401 _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From bob at bluescreen.com Sat Jun 27 00:35:30 2015 From: bob at bluescreen.com (Bob Kertesz) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:35:30 -0700 Subject: [Tig] A look back at how digital photography started... In-Reply-To: <04F283F2-6F71-49D0-9158-6D8140E15C79@filmlight.ltd.uk> References: <04F283F2-6F71-49D0-9158-6D8140E15C79@filmlight.ltd.uk> Message-ID: <0onroalnng0sfn23meq0utfcs4d7auahr2@4ax.com> >> "Joey D'Anna" sez... >> Bell labs had an amazing history. They are probably the single most important research organization ever formed. >Yes to the first part, but I must give first place it to Edison @ Menlo Park. >- he used patents and the press in a way that was unknown at the time. Well...I will certainly give him credit for being at the forefront of thieving American Industrialists, using his wealth, his lawyers, and the patent office to outright steal any idea he found interesting. Big time monopolist, too, although that wasn't really on the radar yet. This sort of thing was rampant, at least in the U.S., from the end of the 19th century through the beginning of the 20th. The concept pretty much went into hibernation for several decades until the Internet hit its stride and the first big stock market bubble inflated, at which point it came roaring back. The U.S. patent office has gotten much, much worse since, being both understaffed and overwhelmed by patent trolls and thieves with enormous legal budgets. But Edison was one of the BIG pioneers in the area of IP theft, one of the first to see the enormous profit potential of many endeavors. --Bob Bob Kertesz BlueScreen LLC Hollywood, California bob at bluescreen.com DIT, Video Controller, and live compositor extraordinaire. High quality images for more than four decades - whether you've wanted them or not.?