From born at schauburg.de Mon Nov 9 10:24:34 2015 From: born at schauburg.de (born at schauburg.de) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:24:34 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Fw: new message Message-ID: <000014fa63b1$778b0670$c7bbdbb2$@schauburg.de> Hello! New message, please read born at schauburg.de From born at schauburg.de Mon Nov 9 10:24:49 2015 From: born at schauburg.de (born at schauburg.de) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:24:49 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Fw: new message Message-ID: <0000610409cf$4ba4ed05$4b1df5f1$@schauburg.de> Hello! New message, please read born at schauburg.de From born at schauburg.de Mon Nov 9 10:25:19 2015 From: born at schauburg.de (born at schauburg.de) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:25:19 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Fw: new message Message-ID: <0000042d5998$c2c26282$cd3c724c$@schauburg.de> Hello! New message, please read born at schauburg.de From born at schauburg.de Mon Nov 9 10:25:19 2015 From: born at schauburg.de (born at schauburg.de) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:25:19 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Fw: new message Message-ID: <0000042d5998$c2c26282$cd3c724c$@schauburg.de> Hello! New message, please read born at schauburg.de From born at schauburg.de Mon Nov 9 10:31:47 2015 From: born at schauburg.de (born at schauburg.de) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 02:31:47 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Fw: new message Message-ID: <0000d8949bf4$93f94e89$dd79c400$@schauburg.de> Hello! New message, please read born at schauburg.de From chrismicrofilm at me.com Thu Nov 12 12:57:26 2015 From: chrismicrofilm at me.com (Chris Barnett) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:57:26 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Grading 16mm Message-ID: Hi all, I have some 16mm dpx scans from a shoot, currently this is the only information I have about the footage. It's a few shots from a mostly digital short film. I'm grading the film but I've never graded film scans before. They look pretty flat so I'm presuming it's log (Cineon?) but how else do I set up resolve!!!?? What colour space should I be using? Does it matter? Do I need to know the printer lights? As well as being flat it looks pretty dark too and is fairly noisy already. Any advice / help / ideas gratefully received?? Thanks Chris --/ Chris Barnett Offline / DIT / Colour Grading From camera.mule at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 15:57:45 2015 From: camera.mule at gmail.com (Samuel Cheeseman) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:57:45 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Grading 16mm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chris Good news: if you're not going back out to a film deliverable (I assume you're not anyway) then you don't need to worry. The are a lot of clever things that can be done during the processing and the rest but if you've already been delivered the DPX then that phase has already past you. The real pain about grading film was things like always grading underneath a LUT and having to worry about how the chemistry of the DI or print could throw things off later. If you've only got digital deliverables though then, again - not your problem anymore. Here's a simple way to think about it: Is you grading display set to Rec709 and calibrated correctly? It is? Wonderful. Then what you see is what you'll get when you watch your grade on another correctly calibrated Rec709 (I have no idea where you live so I'm avoiding mentioning Gamma deliberately). If it's looking low contrast or 'milky' then it will be log scans. I have no idea what the other material is but it should slide in nicely with Arri LogC. If it is Cineon Log and you're grading RED Epic/Dragon/whatever then you'll find that REDLogFilm for the Debayer will match the film contrast very closely. Just remember: it's not sorcery so you don't need to be a wizard. If you don't have to worry about Film deliverables then you can just grade it. If it looks good on your (correctly calibrated display) and matches the rest of the shots in your scene then you're gold. How you do that is your choice, and there are a lot of ways. The only 'correct' way is the way that results in the image that you wanted with the least amount of pain while making you look as impressive and in control in front of your client as possible. Resolve12 offers a few new options in terms of transforms. If you do have Arrived and RED and want to work with them debayered to Log and a single transform for your entire timeline then go for it. If you want to use a LUT in the 1st node of each of the Film shots to go directly from Log something more contrasty then go for it. You can also right click on any shot on the storyboard and change the Input Space per shot if you want. It's up you - you're the colourist. Experiment if you have the time. You'll find that with no transforms added and just working on the Log image directly using only Offset, Contrast and Pivot in Primaries that you can make the equivalent look that you'd achieve with LUT just by grading the Log image itself. I like to work that way as it gives me more control. That's personal preference though. Personally I like to cheat. If it's not a complex edit then I will often do things like double up the tracks or something to duplicate the project. The bottom duplicate (never seen) is all something normalised but contrasted like Rec709. The top duplicated is usually all some flavour of log like LogC or SLog3 (that's how I like to grade). I do this because I like to grade on the Log image but log can be a pain to key off. So I key off the Rec709 and grade on the Log. But that's just me being fiddly because I've tried everything else and worked out what I've found gives me the most control and speed of operation. Find your own formula You may also want to denoise 16mm. Even if the client likes the look of the grain, the grain can still be a bastard by messing up your keys. Another reason that I have a 'key track'. I can denoise that layer but leave the grain in my 'grading track'. I wouldn't recommend Resolve's denoise for this though if it's being applied to the final image unless you like the look that you get from it. Digital Vision products were always good for this but if you want a cheap but excellent alternative the NEAT VIDEO plug-in is amazing. As Kevin Shaw would say: 'Happy Colouring' Cheers -Sam Sheppard On 12 Nov 2015 13:00, "Chris Barnett via Tig" wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > > Hi all, > > I have some 16mm dpx scans from a shoot, currently this is the only > information I have about the footage. It's a few shots from a mostly > digital short film. > > I'm grading the film but I've never graded film scans before. > > They look pretty flat so I'm presuming it's log (Cineon?) but how else do > I set up resolve!!!?? > > What colour space should I be using? Does it matter? Do I need to know the > printer lights? As well as being flat it looks pretty dark too and is > fairly noisy already. > > Any advice / help / ideas gratefully received?? > > Thanks > > Chris > > > --/ > > Chris Barnett > Offline / DIT / Colour Grading > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see > http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From andreas at filmtek.no Thu Nov 12 21:13:44 2015 From: andreas at filmtek.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Wider=F8e?=) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:13:44 +0100 Subject: [Tig] Preferred color of PTRs?--Two more days to advise-- In-Reply-To: References: <9317D541-0EC3-4A6F-9FA6-3D5DD83F04F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B633611-792A-4487-B803-104F60AB5463@filmtek.no> I like the orange ones (that I got from San Labs a long time ago). The Kodak ones are a bit "boring", so yes, bring on some intense colours! I clean my PTRs with water and soap from time to time, but use the Kodak white PTR cleaning tape for daily cleaning. Page 45 in their catalogue. Cat no. 8025025. /Andreas --- Filmtek AS http://www.filmtek.no Filmshooting | Com - http://www.filmshooting.com Tel: (+47) 38 17 99 16 On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Ted Langdell via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Hi, TIGers, (or is that TIGgers?) > > > Following up on my query about preferred colors of PTRs. > >> Many on this list have used SanLab or FXSYS diamond-etched, microgrooved PTRs on your telecines, scanners or lab equipment. >> >> I?m curious to know what color preference seemed/s to be the most requested, and why? > > > So far we?ve had a few off-list replies, and a number on-list. > > If you have had a preference and wanted to advise what it was and why, there?s still a few days to says so. > > I?ll be posting the results of the poll on Saturday. > > Thanks much? from somewhat damp Northern California, where we had some rain in the wee hours this morning. Grass may getting a little greener. Your RGB may vary. > > Ted > > Ted Langdell > flashscan8.us Moving Image Tool and Technology Store > iPhone: (530) 301-2931 (Preferred) > Office: (530) 741-1212 > ted at flashscan8.us > Skype: TedLangdell > > See us at NAB 2016, April 18-21, Lower South Hall Booth SL14813. > > On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Rob Lingelbach via Tig wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> ===== >> >>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Ted Langdell via Tig wrote: >>> >>> I?m curious to know what color preference seemed/s to be the most requested, and why? >>> >>> To keep the clutter down on the TIG, please reply off-list to ted at flashscan8.us unless Rob?s OK with on-list replies. >>> >>> I?ll tally the results next Saturday and with his permission, (OK Rob?) post the information. >> >> Sure, Ted and others, post any followups to the group. >> >> I don?t recall ever having the choice of color. We did tend to have different colors for different film gauges and possibly for different stocks (print, neg). >> >> ? >> Rob Lingelbach http://colorist.org/robhome.html >> rob at colorist.org > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig > From trovak at comcast.net Thu Nov 12 21:27:11 2015 From: trovak at comcast.net (Tom Rovak) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tig] Colorist society Message-ID: <507303907.16797888.1447363631696.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> http://postperspective.com/colorist-society-not/ Great read. Makes sense. Please email me to give me your input. Tom Rovak - Executive Producer / Sr. Colorist / Post Production Supervisor ROVAK COLORIST SERVICES A Division Of The Annex Studios Commercials, Feature Films, Music Videos, Long Form Color Correction, Dailies, Editorial, Finish/VFX trovak at comcast.net (815)690-8323 IMDB: http://www . imdb.com/name/nm1652946/?ref_=rvi_nm Website / Commercial Reel: http://colorist-rovak.com/ From tedlangdell at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 21:35:51 2015 From: tedlangdell at gmail.com (Ted Langdell) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:35:51 -0800 Subject: [Tig] Preferred color of PTRs?--Two more days to advise-- In-Reply-To: <8B633611-792A-4487-B803-104F60AB5463@filmtek.no> References: <9317D541-0EC3-4A6F-9FA6-3D5DD83F04F9@gmail.com> <8B633611-792A-4487-B803-104F60AB5463@filmtek.no> Message-ID: <680E4766-DC19-4772-A579-ACA8DDC336A5@gmail.com> Hi, Andreas, Thanks for participating. Based on earlier poll results, the next batch of 1.5mm x 35mm FXSYS PTRs will be the intense blue color. As for cleaning, FXSYS (and SanLab before it) recommends cleaning with Palmolive dishwashing liquid, the original kind that the 1960?s-70s commercials had Madge the manicurist dipping clients? hands into. A couple of drops in a liter or so of room-temp water. Soak for a bit, then rub the surface with your wet hands, rinse in similar temp water and air dry in a clean environment. Clean often and replace when effectiveness drops off. We recommend using three sets s you have one on the machine, a clean set waiting and another that may be ready to wash or is drying. Hope this is helpful. Ted Ted Langdell flashscan8.us Moving Image Tool and Technology Store iPhone: (530) 301-2931 (Preferred) Office: (530) 741-1212 ted at flashscan8.us Skype: TedLangdell See us at AMIA 2015, Nov. 19-20, Portland Hilton Downtown, Booth 301/303 See us at NAB 2016, April 18-21, Lower South Hall Booth SL14813. On Nov 12, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Andreas Wider?e via Tig wrote: > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > I like the orange ones (that I got from San Labs a long time ago). > > The Kodak ones are a bit "boring", so yes, bring on some intense colours! > > I clean my PTRs with water and soap from time to time, but use the Kodak white PTR cleaning tape for daily cleaning. Page 45 in their catalogue. Cat no. 8025025. > > /Andreas > > --- > Filmtek AS > http://www.filmtek.no > > Filmshooting | Com - http://www.filmshooting.com > > Tel: (+47) 38 17 99 16 > > On Oct 2, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Ted Langdell via Tig wrote: > >> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >> ===== >> >> >> Hi, TIGers, (or is that TIGgers?) >> >> >> Following up on my query about preferred colors of PTRs. >> >>> Many on this list have used SanLab or FXSYS diamond-etched, microgrooved PTRs on your telecines, scanners or lab equipment. >>> >>> I?m curious to know what color preference seemed/s to be the most requested, and why? >> >> >> So far we?ve had a few off-list replies, and a number on-list. >> >> If you have had a preference and wanted to advise what it was and why, there?s still a few days to says so. >> >> I?ll be posting the results of the poll on Saturday. >> >> Thanks much? from somewhat damp Northern California, where we had some rain in the wee hours this morning. Grass may getting a little greener. Your RGB may vary. >> >> Ted >> >> Ted Langdell >> flashscan8.us Moving Image Tool and Technology Store >> iPhone: (530) 301-2931 (Preferred) >> Office: (530) 741-1212 >> ted at flashscan8.us >> Skype: TedLangdell >> >> See us at NAB 2016, April 18-21, Lower South Hall Booth SL14813. >> >> On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Rob Lingelbach via Tig wrote: >> >>> Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. >>> ===== >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Ted Langdell via Tig wrote: >>>> >>>> I?m curious to know what color preference seemed/s to be the most requested, and why? >>>> >>>> To keep the clutter down on the TIG, please reply off-list to ted at flashscan8.us unless Rob?s OK with on-list replies. >>>> >>>> I?ll tally the results next Saturday and with his permission, (OK Rob?) post the information. >>> >>> Sure, Ted and others, post any followups to the group. >>> >>> I don?t recall ever having the choice of color. We did tend to have different colors for different film gauges and possibly for different stocks (print, neg). >>> >>> ? >>> Rob Lingelbach http://colorist.org/robhome.html >>> rob at colorist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://colorist.org >> To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://colorist.org > To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From rob at colorist.org Thu Nov 12 22:33:23 2015 From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:33:23 -0600 Subject: [Tig] Colorist society In-Reply-To: <507303907.16797888.1447363631696.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <507303907.16797888.1447363631696.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rovak via Tig wrote: > http://postperspective.com/colorist-society-not/ > > Great read. Makes sense. Please email me to give me your input. And post to the TIG, it is of general interest. I would be OK with collaborating and giving a portion of the colorist.org domain over to such a group. Rob TIG founder/administrator (since 1991) From just.love.film at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 12:47:54 2015 From: just.love.film at gmail.com (justin lovell) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:47:54 -0500 Subject: [Tig] Plura monitors for grading? Message-ID: Hey fellas, Anyone have experience with these? They have 23 and 32 inch models. http://www.plurabroadcast.com/products-and-solutions/monitoring-solutions/plura-lcm-3g-series Currently using a bonblm 240 and happy with it. All the best! Justin Lovell Cinematographer // Assoc. CSC WWW.JUSTINLOVELL.COM 416.901.5332 m.416.803.1101 twitter/insta: @justin_lovell ?sent with tpyos from my moible