From steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk Mon May 9 10:58:41 2016 From: steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk (Steve Roberts) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 09:58:41 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual Message-ID: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> Apologies for the somewhat off-topic post, although it is the camera that's in the back of Mel Worsfold modified video Steenbecks... Does anyone have a service manual for a PAL Sony DXC-3000? What I'm specifically interested in is whether the encoder has a field dominance switch on it, although the more I think about it, the more I think that on a field-based camera that wouldn't even be a thing. But anyway... The actual issue is that I have a bunch of old MWA-modded Steenbecks that are still in use but they all produce a video output that is non-frame coherent - ie field 1 is from one film frame, field two is from the next. Trying to see if there's a way to make them frame coherent for basic file capture use. Thanks, Steve ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------- From steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk Mon May 9 11:19:07 2016 From: steve.roberts at bbc.co.uk (Steve Roberts) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 10:19:07 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <0ed48234-33db-d514-16fa-353bc237d8fb@westpoint.tv> References: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> <0ed48234-33db-d514-16fa-353bc237d8fb@westpoint.tv> Message-ID: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD84@bgb01xud1008> Thanks David. I have recorded the output of the camera on Digi and stepped through it. It is frame locked, just a field out from where I want it to be. Thanks for the offer to look at the manual. :) Steve From: David Dean [mailto:dixie at westpoint.tv] Sent: 09 May 2016 11:12 To: Steve Roberts Subject: Re: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual Hi Steve I wish you luck, because a Steenbeck is a prismatic viewer there is no chance of getting any field dominance to its output, if it runs at 25fps locked to the camera then that would be the best result you could hope for. I don't know if you were ever at TVC in the days of Polygon telecines (TK22 and TK36), this is what the Steenbeck is in practice. I think you are looking for something that can not be found. I probably have a manual for a DXC 3000, I will check for you tomorrow. Kind Regards David Dean On 09/05/2016 10:58, Steve Roberts via Tig wrote: Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== Apologies for the somewhat off-topic post, although it is the camera that's in the back of Mel Worsfold modified video Steenbecks... Does anyone have a service manual for a PAL Sony DXC-3000? What I'm specifically interested in is whether the encoder has a field dominance switch on it, although the more I think about it, the more I think that on a field-based camera that wouldn't even be a thing. But anyway... The actual issue is that I have a bunch of old MWA-modded Steenbecks that are still in use but they all produce a video output that is non-frame coherent - ie field 1 is from one film frame, field two is from the next. Trying to see if there's a way to make them frame coherent for basic file capture use. Thanks, Steve ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------- _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig -- David Dean Westpoint Television Please note we have moved, All Deliveries to:- Adaptatech Unit 2 Bell Industrial Park, Cunnington Street London W4 5HB for our attention please. 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I know you have, dear boy - some of us are still friends with your wife on Facebook, even if you don't use it. :P Welcome back >> I bet you there's an LM1881-based video sync-separator in there somewhere to lock to the camera's composite output as reference, and I bet they're just using the F1/F2 square-wave output from that as a locking reference for the transport - if so, try inverting that signal, and the mechanism should lock to the opposite edge, delaying the pictures by 1 field going into-the camera...<< Indeed, that was my first thought, but no LM1881 in sight and although I have diagrams, there's a woeful lack of any kind of explanation in Worsfold's manuals. I spent a couple of hours last week with a CMOS inverter on the end of a bit of wire and inverting everything that looked likely, but to no avail... However, having just done another recording with a countdown leader, I suspect that David Dean's original answer is probably correct - that inherently I'm not going to be able to get a proper frame coherent output from the system because of the way the prism works. Essentially, leading up to a single frame event on the film, I get a low intensity ghost field, a high intensity field, then another low intensity ghost field. I'll have another play, but unless anyone thinks I'm not wasting my time, I'd consider this topic dead. :) Cheers, Steve From dcorbitt77 at comcast.net Mon May 9 12:04:30 2016 From: dcorbitt77 at comcast.net (David Corbitt) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 07:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> References: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> Message-ID: Steve, Go here for a PDF of the manual: http://dwiki.hil.no/@api/deki/files/906/=DXC-D30WS_-_Service.PDF Dave Corbitt Retired telecine engineer/project manager/generally helpful person Whiting, NJ 08759 > On May 9, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Steve Roberts via Tig wrote: > > Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. > ===== > > > Apologies for the somewhat off-topic post, although it is the camera that's in the back of Mel Worsfold modified video Steenbecks... > > Does anyone have a service manual for a PAL Sony DXC-3000? What I'm specifically interested in is whether the encoder has a field dominance switch on it, although the more I think about it, the more I think that on a field-based camera that wouldn't even be a thing. But anyway... > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > From wacker at ithaca.edu Mon May 9 15:59:01 2016 From: wacker at ithaca.edu (Phillip Wacker-Hoeflin) Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 14:59:01 +0000 Subject: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082BDE9@bgb01xud1008> References: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> <006e01d1a9de$edb76cb0$c9264610$@com> <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082BDE9@bgb01xud1008> Message-ID: Back in the day before digital NLE, we had a Magnatech rotary prism projector that we used in our old film sound mixing studio. When we bought our first Avid Film Composers, we used the transfers from the Magnatech for editing purposes by punching the first frame of full image that fell on the keyframe of the keycode, making the transfer with an NTSC deck time code locked to the projector. We would set timecode to hh:mm:ss:f of the hole punch and transter the full camera roll in one pass. Evaluating image of the hole punch field by field, we determined where in our ersatz pull-down sequence we were. Clear image on both fields of one frame = ?A? frame; both fields and first field of the following frame = ?B? frame; second field of the reference time code and first field of the following frame = ?C? frame, second field and both fields of the following frame = ?C? frame. As Film Composer only loaded one field for each frame of video, setting the system to field one dominance avoided duplicate frames. For the first year we were doing this, we conformed workprint to the negative cutlist for every project before sending the cultist off to the negative cutter. Each one was frame accurate, so we stopped that practice the following year. We maintained that practice for the next five years for projects that couldn?t afford professional telecine services, and never had an issue with cut list errors. Phil Phillip Wacker-Hoeflin Cinema Production Support Engineer Technical Operations Park School of Communications at Ithaca College Ithaca College --127 Park Hall | 953 Danby Rd. | Ithaca, NY 14850 607-274-1973 wacker at ithaca.edu On May 9, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Steve Roberts via Tig > wrote: Sohonet www.sohonet.co.uk sponsors the TIG. ===== -----Original Message----- From: Graham Bryce [mailto:graham at visible-support.com] Sent: 09 May 2016 11:39 To: Steve Roberts Subject: RE: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual Hi Steve - I've just moved back to the UK after 2+ years in Africa! I know you have, dear boy - some of us are still friends with your wife on Facebook, even if you don't use it. :P Welcome back I bet you there's an LM1881-based video sync-separator in there somewhere to lock to the camera's composite output as reference, and I bet they're just using the F1/F2 square-wave output from that as a locking reference for the transport - if so, try inverting that signal, and the mechanism should lock to the opposite edge, delaying the pictures by 1 field going into-the camera...<< Indeed, that was my first thought, but no LM1881 in sight and although I have diagrams, there's a woeful lack of any kind of explanation in Worsfold's manuals. I spent a couple of hours last week with a CMOS inverter on the end of a bit of wire and inverting everything that looked likely, but to no avail... However, having just done another recording with a countdown leader, I suspect that David Dean's original answer is probably correct - that inherently I'm not going to be able to get a proper frame coherent output from the system because of the way the prism works. Essentially, leading up to a single frame event on the film, I get a low intensity ghost field, a high intensity field, then another low intensity ghost field. I'll have another play, but unless anyone thinks I'm not wasting my time, I'd consider this topic dead. :) Cheers, Steve _______________________________________________ http://colorist.org To change subscription options, see http://tig.colorist.org/mailman/listinfo/tig From roblingelbach at icloud.com Mon May 9 19:16:14 2016 From: roblingelbach at icloud.com (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 13:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Tig] Off-Topic - Sony DXC-3000 Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082AD5A@bgb01xud1008> <006e01d1a9de$edb76cb0$c9264610$@com> <4EABF517DC6E484A8D61D210885FE63EB082BDE9@bgb01xud1008> Message-ID: <75FBE243-4E37-4E46-8C12-F38D2D0DE402@icloud.com> On May 9, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Phillip Wacker-Hoeflin via Tig wrote: > Evaluating image of the hole punch field by field, we determined where in our ersatz pull-down sequence we were. Clear image on both fields of one frame = ?A? frame; both fields and first field of the following frame = ?B? frame; second field of the reference time code and first field of the following frame = ?C? frame, second field and both fields of the following frame = ?C? frame. Memories arise of thousands of reels and years doing this, where The Hunt for 'A' Frame was first performed with a test edit, I believe because reference sync to TLC and Rank were somehow unreliable. What worked one day would change the next, needing a field adjustment on the TLC. Gary Adams or Dave Tosh* could probably reverse-engineer this in their sleep... * ...both TIG Supporters Emeritus: http://colorist.org/wiki/index.php/Supporters Rob Lingelbach Former Senior Colorist TIG founder/administrator Photography: http://lingelbach.us Tutor, Minneapolis Public Schools rob at colorist.org From garyaadams at gmail.com Fri May 13 15:57:15 2016 From: garyaadams at gmail.com (Gary Adams) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 10:57:15 -0400 Subject: [Tig] MetaSpeed EPROM Message-ID: <00c101d1ad27$bd9ce180$38d6a480$@gmail.com> Sort of cleaning out my office and coming across many great memories of daVinci and TLC. I found this EPROM for MetaSpeed that may be of interest to someone. I would be happy to send it in the US to someone if possible. I realize it's kind of silly but there are many legacy systems of all kinds running either for real or for fun. Hate to toss it away. http://colorist.org/wiki/index.php/File:IMG_7673.jpg I don't expect a response actually, but MetaSpeed was a great product which we were proud to have interfaced at many facilities. It was a great ride. Regards, Gary Adams From rob at cinelab.com Fri May 13 20:25:39 2016 From: rob at cinelab.com (Robert Houllahan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:25:39 -0400 Subject: [Tig] Cintel Y-Front door hinges? Message-ID: HI TIG Anyone know what make the hinges are on the Y-Front doors? Robert Houllahan Scans Colorist Workflow Co-Owner 35MM 16MM 8MM B&W/Color-Lab Spirit 2K Scans HD-6K 8MM 16MM 35MM Arrilaser 2K & 4K Film Recording www.cinelab.com https://www.facebook.com/CinelabBoston