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Re: His travels
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- Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 06:48:10 -0500
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On 1999-08-19 at 19:43, Martin Greenwood (martin at pandora-int.com) wrote:
Martin Greenwood sent the following to me and it certainly is germane
to a couple of current discussions here. I think though in the
interest of fairness any other manufacturer of color correctors is
welcome to respond once to this same issue. This message can come
very close to marketing, but as it is certainly informative about a
current discussion, I thought I'd let it through. (incidentally, as a
result, Joe Moore will have a busy Monday :]). However, to keep
ourselves in a civil and low-noise mode, I welcome the chance to
screen such other responses from manufacturers personally; please send
them to me first, thank you.
> This is in response to some recent questions on the TIG about Pandora
> stuff, from a Pandora person!
> In reply to Bob Lovejoy's point about colour corrector flexibility....
> Tape to tape is still a very important part of colour correction.
> Pandora MegaDef can easily be fitted with both SDTV and HDTV i/o to allow
> 'downstream' operation. So in one room you can work with all possibilities.
> There are advantages to being upstream, other than the obvious one of
> One compelling timesaving reason to be 'upstream' is for multi-format work.
> A single colour correction event list can be created that can be used for
> Data, HDTV or SDTV transfer. Any corrections and effects will be identical
> on any current of future version.
> Another reason is operational. Previously in a session the colourist would
> size or frame the image, then colour correct it. Now sizing and colouring
> can be repeated in any order.
> For example, work full frame, light the shot with MegaShapes, then resize
> the image.
> Also being upstream allows the MegaDef to be easily used for real-time Data
> All these points are possible because the MegaDef is before the Spirit or
> Spectre spatial convertor.
> The MegaDef is always running at 2k x 2k RGB 14bit progressive.
> Also note that whether upstream or down stream, the MegaDef adds no frame
> delay to the system, so it does not suffer from or add any lag.
> In reply to Greg Dildine's question about colourcorrectors...
> I cannot compare, as do not know the details of the DaVinci stuff.
> However here is a short technical description of the Pandora Pixi and
> MegaDef architecture.
> Pixi and MegaDef systems both have the same creative controls.
> The difference is MegaDef allows upstream and downstream operation, whilst
> Pixi allows only downstream operation. (Pixi is upgradable to MegaDef)
> Inputs SDTV, HDTV and 2K data.
> Formats RGB or YUV, Lin or Log up to 14bits.
> Mega1 layer.
> Mega1 works over the full image area providing :-
> Full primary with soft clipping.
> Master HSL controls.
> Hue and Saturation washes.
> Black and White desaturation.
> Six channel vector based colour corrector.
> Mega2 layers.
> Inside each layer there are three channels.
> Each channel works on parts of the image depending on the it's isolation.
> The isolation is built of a shape COMBINED with hue, saturation and
> luminance before it is used.
> Without this combination effects would be foreground only. With it, they
> can be foreground and background. This is a very powerful feature.
> For example, a grad can be built that only effects the blue (or grey) sky.
> It will disappear behind the rest of the scene. This is because it can work
> on only certain colours.
> When the image moves the shapes does not need to be changed.
> Or clouds can be added to a sky, that disappear behind the mountains. All
> without redrawing or marking in frame by frame.
> Inside this isolated area the following controls are available :-
> Lift gamma and gain, saturation and luminance.
> Blending one channel into another.
> Addition of texture, turbulence, noise, grain, logos, titles etc.
> Softening and sharpening is in development and will be available soon.
> This last part is the new MegaShapes which allows the any shape to be made
> from any image, gif, tiff, rgb or dpx file or drawn.
> This shape is then redrawn inside the system in real-time at variable size
> with a 12 bit depth, which is used to modulate the colour correction. There
> is no need for external keys, which anyway would not be available at 2K
> So there are a minimum of three channels, expandable in blocks of three.
> When another three channels are added they become another layer, so it is
> quick to build effects on top of each other, without multiple passes.
> MegaGamma layer
> Any number of points can be set to tweak the RGBM output signal creatively.
> User look up tables can be loaded over the network in the output to remap
> RGBM for particular destination devices. (Projection, TV, film recorders
> etc.) This means that the correct look can be applied after
> colourcorrection, without using / losing any creative resources.
> Outputs SDTV HDTV and 2K data
> Formats RGB, YUV, Lin or Log
> Now the silly science bit...
> 2k x 2k 10 bit at 30fps is 125 million pixels per second or 3.77Gbits per
> (422 HD 1080i60 images only use about 1.24Gbits per second)
> MegaDef processes 5.75Gbits per second, it can be expanded to 11.5Gbits per
> That's what makes it real-time.
> Note, upstream MegaDef was not designed solely for Philips stuff, we are
> evolving interfaces to other picture sources and are working with all
> MegaDef can be upgraded to 4K, but we are waiting for a real-time 4K
> source. Hint Hint!!
> Those last bits were probably marketing, so watch out...
> Finally and importantly all our stuff is in use now.
> I hope this has clarified things, if not please post questions to the TIG
> or to me directly,
> Martin Greenwood
> Pandora International
> martin at pandora-int.com
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